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Tuesday, July 16, 2024

Ideal floor to live on in Condos and Apartments

 This story was excepted with permission from Urban Living in the Couv. Originally posted 7/15/2024.

The title question is of course highly subjective and I have touched on this issue in the past. I have done additional research to complement my own experiences in various mid-rise and high-rise buildings.

Here in Vancouver our tallest residential towers are in modest high-rise buildings. Typically high-rise buildings have ten or more floors and can rise to heights approaching 300 feet. Generally once a tower exceeds 300 feet it is called a skyscraper although there are other metrics as well. Even our bigger sister to the south only has a handful of residential buildings in the 300+ foot height range. Here in Vancouver the tallest residential buildings fall into the lower half of the high-rise range with 10-15 floors, but most of our urban residential developments are mid-rise structures with 5-8 floors.

If we divide buildings into ground floor, lower floors 2-4, mid floors 5-9, and upper floors 10+ we can gauge the pros and cons of these various levels in a buildings. This is highly subjective but I am using some research data as well.

Ground Floor:

These units have the advantage of being accessible without the use of stairs or the elevator. They are ideal for residents with pets that need to go outside frequently. The ground floor offers a bit more safety in an emergency as these residents will be the first out. They tend to have a slight disadvantage in security since there is either direct street access or at least windows at street level. Some ground units offer special zoning to operate a commercial business; in Vancouver, Parkview ground units that front Columbia Street have such zoning. Ground floor units will also have the most street noise. Furthermore in congested traffic situations auto exhaust may affect residents when windows are open. Ground floor units also tend to lack the views found in upper floors.

Low-rise Floors 2-4: 

Looking southwest towards Smith Tower and the Waterfront, 4th floor Murdock Executive Plaza

Once off the ground floor security improves by eliminating street access to the residence. As you move up in height off the street noise levels start to diminish a bit but the type of noise will change as you ascend. Floors 2-4 tend to be only a touch less noisy than the ground floor. When sitting on a patio or near open windows conversations talking place by passing pedestrians on the street may be intelligible and that can be distracting. I find the 4th floor to be borderline on this but it certainly depends on your hearing and perception. Although the view can improve on these floors, you will find that most of Vancouver's city streets are lined with lovely deciduous trees that will block most of your view. In the winter months when these trees are bare the view improves. These trees however can act as a sound block that keeps distant ambient city noises like airplanes and sirens a bit suppressed. Typically as you rise up in height there tends to be more wind. In most of Downtown Vancouver floors 2-4 are not that windy but in suburban areas where most local structures are 1-2 floors the 3rd and 4th floors can get real breezy. These lower floors offer residents the quickest access in the elevator and the stairs remain a viable option as well depending on your level of fitness.

Mid-rise Floors 5-9:

Looking west from the 6th floor rooftop patio at Aeon Apartments

I believe that these floors are the sweet spot in just about any building. Once you ascend to the 5th floor you have a good shot at being above the trees which opens up the view a bit. It should be noted that the trees around Esther Short Park are quite a bit taller than the 5th floor but most sidewalk trees are not. From the 5th floor up I find that conversations at street level become background noise, muffled and unintelligible which makes them less distracting. Here in Vancouver you will notice that these floors often become breezy although in the more dense areas like the Columbia Street near the Park and parts of the Waterfront not so much. Any river facing units along the waterfront will be breezy regardless of what floor you are on.

Looking west from 8th floor of Hotel Indigo, Vancouver Waterfront.

From these mid levels you will actually get a lot more ambient city noise. Sirens and honking car horns from many blocks away are able to be heard but in a background noise fashion. These same noises right in front of the building will also be a bit less loud as you are a fair distance above them and the trees along the street below provide some suppression. There are a handful of units in Vancouver right along Interstate 5 that the height will not be able to overcome. Some of the east facing units in Frontier Block at 500 Broadway are very loud with highway noise even on the 5th and 6th floors. Generally as you get higher off the street you get more and more background noise that is usually easier for people to "tune out." Because Downtown Vancouver only has a handful of high-rise buildings I find that views from the 6-9th floors to be mostly unobstructed. Of course there are some exceptions like the Waterfront and Columbia Street near the park where building densities are higher.

Looking north from 9th floor rooftop patio at The Miller Apartments

Mid-levels have excellent security unless you have a rogue Spiderman running around ;) These floors are also still in the range of stairway use of course depending on your physical condition. In an emergency getting down 5 to 9 flights is manageable for most people. I also find that around the 7th floor or so you start to get that "up high" feeling with a little detachment from the city below. Some people may get that at different heights perhaps higher or lower. I'm not talking about that "top of the world" feeling, that typically comes at much higher heights, but you are definitely get that in the city feel.

High-rise Floors 10+:

Looking southeast from the 11th floor Viewpoint

High-rise buildings with 10 or more floors will vary largely on the city and location within that city as to the "feeling" you get on these upper floors. In Vancouver the 10th floor is high enough to see over the majority of buildings and we do not have our high rise buildings clumped close enough to create a view blockage. In Portland the "top of the world" feeling will require a trip up to the 30th floor or so. Here in Vancouver you start to feel that a bit at floor 10. Vancouver's downtown only has 8 completed or topped out towers with 10 or more floors and one other that is proposed. So once you are up that high you are in rarefied air for Downtown Vancouver. From these heights you will find that it gets quite windy and you may even experience some building sway. Any sway in smaller high-rises is subtle. Really tall skyscrapers can sway several feet in the wind, sway experienced in Vancouver would most likely be measured in inches not feet. Once above the 10th floor it is highly unlikely you will find any trees tall enough to impede your view. Some of the old growth cedars and firs in Esther Short Park are above 100 feet tall so those are a notable exception. From the 11th floor at Viewpoint in Vancouver Center 3 you are standing nearly 150 feet off the ground and can see over the trees in the park. As it stands now there are only two condo projects that offer units more than 100 feet off the street in Vancouver, these are Viewpoint and Kirkland Tower. 

Noise levels on high-rise floors will be almost entirely background city noise. Vancouver does tend to have a fair bit of air traffic overhead that also tends to be noisy and this is one area where the higher up locations will be noisier. Street noise is so muffled as to be more of a background drone with few if any discernible characteristics. You can sit on an outdoor patio on these higher floors and have a conversation at normal voice levels. As I mentioned earlier the higher you are the more likely you will hear noises from far away distances. They won't be loud but they will be heard. From these loftier perches you will also get a distinct detachment from the city below and for some that is preferable to the more immersive experience with the city at the lower floor levels. From a high rise the city becomes more of an interaction like a body of water or a mountain in the distance rather than the tactile experience of immersion in that city. Lower floors offer more immersion and higher floors offer more detachment.

Finally high-rise floors will be the last to be evacuated in an emergency and should one need to use the stairs it will be quite an ordeal for all but the fittest among us. Elevator times tend to get a bit longer as well.

In general higher up costs more, so there is that. Bargains can be found closer to the ground; see what I did there ;) Keep in mind that higher floors tend to be warmer and lower floors tend to be cooler so your HVAC costs will reflect this. Up high cheaper in the winter more expensive in the summer and vice versa for lower floors. Typically another advantage to higher up is the lack of flying insects and other creepy crawlers. Generally once you get up about 6-8 floors the bug count goes way down.


Tuesday, June 18, 2024

Harney Heights Offers Decent Views

Harney Heights is just west of Downtown and Central Park. It features homes of all sizes including condos nestled atop a bluff. You won't find homes with dizzying heights here as Harney Heights rises only about 100-200 feet above sea level. Occasionally you will find homes that offer a view of Downtown's increasingly dense urban skyline or a lovely view to the north of Mount Saint Helens, Mount Rainier, or Mount Adams. There are a lot of Kaiser cottages up there too that are really affordable. Some Columbia River view homes occasionally come on the market as well.

This neighborhood is very close to Downtown and has good highway access to both SR-14 and I-5. I found a nice 2 bed 2.5 bath condo with 1400 squares and a pretty nice view of both Mount St. Helens and Mount Rainier behind it. It sold recently for under $320k. 

Although most of the homes in Harney Heights are up at the top of the bluff most of them are situated on flat lots without views. The view homes are typically along the northern, southern and western slopes that rise up to the top of the bluff. 

Although homes that offer an unobstructed view of the Cascade volcanoes or the Columbia River tend to fetch higher prices, most of the homes in Harney Heights are modest in star and that keeps them within reach for many people on a budget.

Tuesday, May 21, 2024

Lacamas Shores offers lovely views

Lacamas Shores is one of Camas' nicest neighborhoods. The entire development is located on the steep slopes of the north side of Prune hill that drop down to Lacamas Lake. Most of the home sin this neighborhood have excellent views of the water and or mountains including Mt. Hood.

I found this listing on the MLS this morning at the top of the slope. It is a fantastic home with excellent panoramic views. It features 4 beds and 4.5 baths in 3531 SF. The upper deck offers spectacular views with that 'birds eye' feeling. 

Lacamas Shores has the advantage of being a bit lower in elevation compared to the 'top of the hill' neighborhoods on Prune Hill. All of the lots are under 400 feet elevation compared to almost 800 feet atop Prune Hill. In the winter Lacamas Shores is often getting rain when the top of Prune Hill is getting snow. 

Lacamas Lake offers hiking, boating, even waterskiing right out your front door. This home is listed at $1,675,000. Contact me for more information or to arrange a showing.




 

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Tuesday, April 16, 2024

Value Views are a Thing, with some Caveats

Parkview at Vancouvercenter offers some view condos particularly when facing west towards Esther Short Park. These park facing units tend to carry a premium price. The east facing units suffer from a severe case of urbanitis peekaboois. (Uh oh, is Rod losing his mind?) No I am not losing my mind. These units face other buildings in virtually every direction. But the end units can peek between the buildings and sometimes yield a nice picturesque views. This is the case with unit 603 currently listed by Berkshire Hathaway. 

Photo created by Urban Living in the Couv

I have been in this unit a couple of times, including recently to show it to a prospective buyer. The unit is on the 6th floor of 7 in the building. This is a type one all concrete and steel structure that is well insulated against noise. The patio is spacious for a mid rise condo and offers some decent mid day sun. Many units in Parkview facing east have little natural light especially on the lower floors. This unit is much better than most. 

RMLS Photo
The caveats are basically that the traditional "views" are of the peek-a-boo variety. The rest of the patio has the dubious distinction of looking into a lot of high-rise and mid-rise windows. And even though these units do not face the park, access to the park is identical. You are still literally right on the park.

I doubt anyone will buy this unit because of the view, it ins't a great view. They will buy it because it is in one of the best urban locations in the entire region. Esther Short Park is the centerpiece for Downtown Vancouver and features one of the best Farmer's Market experience in the region as well as a ton of amazing festivals, concerts, and events. The convention center is just across the park along with City Hall and a lot of restaurants, breweries, clubs, and shops. The location is described by walk score.com as a walker's paradise. 

RMLS Photo
The unit does have peek-a-boo views from every room. Including a very nice Mount Hood view looking between Vancouvercenter 3 and 4. Again the views are just simple little peeks, but they are better than no view. The unit is priced at $361,900 and features 2 beds and 2 baths with 879 square feet of space. The building features secure underground parking for $125 a month and HOA dues are $815. The HOA may seem a bit high but it does include heating and air conditioning. Owner does not pay for HVAC energy or maintenance. 

This article is intended as information on view property in Vancouver. The author is a licensed agent and is available for consultation on this or any other property in Washington State. This property is not listed by the office of the author of this article.

Give Realtor® Rod Sager a call and arrange for a showing.

15650 NE 4th Plain Blvd. Suite 101, Vancouver, WA 98682

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Tuesday, March 19, 2024

2024 Trends Looking Good

If you are looking to upgrade your view this year trends are suggesting that conditions for buying may improve as we roll through the first half of 2024. Interest rates seem to have stabilized recently with some favorable drops in typical rates as well as an outlook for mild improvement. That will help buyers and sellers will enjoy modest pricing improvement as we progress through the year. 

View property is almost always sold at a premium but typically view property will hold its value a little better than properties without a view. Clark County offers view opportunities and just about every price range from $400,000 to $17 million. There is just about every kind of view from lakes to rivers, to hills and mountains, and cityscapes. We have the view for you!




Tuesday, February 20, 2024

Kirkland Nearly Topped at Palisades

Google Earth 2023
Kirkland's The Ledges is a large 7 floor condo and apartment project on the bluff at Columbia Palisades is nearly topped out. With a two story concrete podium and five levels of wood frame units above this is the largest project to date in the former quarry. It follows a townhouse development that completed last year on the same bluff. Perched up over the former quarry and SR-14, these two projects will offer spectacular views of the Columbia River and the bright twinkling lights of Portland and East Multnomah County. Columbia Palisades has seen a slowish start but the East Vancouver neighborhood that straddles the city line with Camas is likely to see some increased activity as more commercial development is built to support the area. So far Vancouver Clinic has build a location in the development and there are plans for a lot more. I would imagine that some additional residential will need to complete to support the new retail businesses.

Meanwhile on the west side of SE 192nd Avenue, Hurly is working on the HQ development that will bring housing and retail to the other side of the former quarry. These two developments will likely feed off each other and form a bustling east side urban center with excellent highway access to SR-14 and I-205. This will be a great neighborhood and you can already buy units at Boulder Ridge on Ascension Drive.

What ever you do, enjoy the view!



Tuesday, December 19, 2023

Soft Pricing Makes View Condos Attainable

Pricing has softened up a bit on many of Vancouver's condos including Parkview at Vancouver Center and Shorewood. Condos with decent views are now back in the upper 200's to $400k. Using the tracking of condos on Urban Living in the Couv you can see some reasonable values on units in both Shorewood and Parkview. 

At Parkview there is a 7th floor unit facing the park with nice views over the park towards the waterfront. It's listed at $379,900. It is a smaller unit with 1 bed and 1 bath and 428 SF. There is also a larger unit on the 6th floor facing east but it is a corner unit and has a view between two other towers of Mount Hood. Hardly a sweeping view but pretty solid. That unit is 2 beds and 2 baths with 879 SF. 

Shorewood West has a large 1 bed 1 bath unit with over 1000 SF and a view from the patio of the Columbia River and the West Hills. That unit is priced at $350,000. Shorewood East has a 2 bed 2 bath unit with 1128 SF listed at $309,000

Parkview is urban with everything being walkable. Shorewood is up on a bluff with nice views and excellent amenities. Christmas can be a good time to buy a condo!

Happy Holidays!

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